oh and also to top it off, everything takes twice as long to run because vista doesn't manage its resources at all

thank you for proving my point of windows sucks and is infact bloatware. lol

vista especially.

lol i'll throw in that once we redid the comp with xp, everything runs beautifully :)

well XP Ive found is 100 times more stable in itself then vista, which I realize yes vista is new but seriously its not like they couldn't have taken that little extra time and tested different environment variables to ensure higher stability.

i definatly agree. i mean xp was pretty choppy at first so that does give me some ood hopes for vista, but i'll wait till it gets some service packs out, lol. but the biggest thing that kills me is the lack of compatability... this entire thread started because i spent a day and a half with tech support for one problem. the best part of that was, on the second day i just say, "this isn't compatible with vista yet is it?" of course they tell me, "no it's not" and i'm sitting there thinking, "to bad they didn't tell me that all those other times when i'd mentioned i'm running a vista machine..."

but w ehave xp on a machine, and it took a little work because it is a dell box and they like to make things difficult just like vista does, lol, but now its all running beautifully.

yea, I can't go to vista yet (not that I want to tanyway) because my sound card has no suppotrt under vista yet... Cause It's a pro recording card, I can't just use generic drivers, so I'll just wait and happily use XP for now... In my opinion vista is just anouther name for XP SP3...

yea I can't even get my drivers all running properly on vista, like my vid drivers don't work properly, the sound waas difficult to even get working and the one thing that kinda pissed me off to was my system monitor for my motherboard wasn't compatible and I needed for controlling my CPU fan so it didn't get to hot while overclocked. I mean I hate windows i'll admit to that so even the thought of using XP makes me feel claustrophobic but if I had to choose between XP and vista I would choose XP.

Vista has turned out to be one big cluster f**k.

well like I said to myself after trying vista out the first time, .....seem Microsoft has perfected the art of breaking things.

I think it really does depend on your system.

Vista (up to rc2) runs very well on my computer, Ive even been able to play games when running vista. Yes there were a few programs that i couldnt get working but none of them i needed to run on my main compuer so i just put them on my secondery computer.

So it really does depend on what programs you want to use and your system.

I use a few that are incompatible that would drive me insane without....not to mention the ram consumption just isn't something I can justify...I mean a gig min for all the features come one. Im currently runny Kubuntu Edgy with Beryl installed and it doesn't use hardly any ram in comparison and has more then twice the features for eyecandy.

Its not that it needs a gig to its self

It that you need a gig for vista AND the programs your working on.

XP was the same when it came out people complaned that they needed 256mb of ram, 128 for xp and the rest for their programs.

Im not justifing the the amount of ram it uses but i think that in a few years when we all have 7gb ram the 600mb of ram it uses wont really matter anymore.

/sigh the horrors of vista keep roling in! And I'm wanting to get DirctX10 Video cards soon too!

Heh, I heard hearsay that DirectX 10 doens';t work with XP. I hope this is not true, and if it is, hope that there is a patch for it to work, and work well.

Vista really isnt worth upgrading to, even if it was just for DX10. I will be waiting for Windows 7.

Heh, they should make a patch for DirextX 10 then, and for Halo 2 PC version.